AMD’s Vision vs Intel Inside

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May 20, 2012 – Intel’s Ivy Bridge processor vs AMD’s A-Series processor

Looking online, there are many websites that will do performance comparisons.  I prefer processors, CPU’s, that have more CPU power.  The integrated video card speed is not important to me.  Therefore, Intel’s Ivy Bridge will be my first choice since the reviews say that Intel’s Ivy Bridge is faster in this area, but I will have to do a price comparison with the competitor based on the CPU speed alone.  AMD is faster in the graphics area.  Therefore, deciding between the two is not an easy task.

AMD = Graphics +

Intel = CPU +

As for business, this will depend on what the computer will be used for.

If the business computer will be used more for writing documents, checking email, and reading meeting notes, then Intel is the recommended CPU.

If the business computer will be used to show presentation videos, and other video related material, AMD is the recommended CPU.

Although, with the speed of the CPUs now, the differences between AMD and Intel may not be noticeable.  Therefore, there is no fine line on what is recommended.

I currently have both an AMD and an Intel desktop and they do the job.

For me, I will stick with Intel unless AMD has a CPU that is faster and cheaper on the processor side.

When it comes to gamers, a separate video card may still be required.  These CPU’s are designed more for everyday use with the ability to handle some graphic intensive processing.

Intel I5 article on May 12, 2012 at http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405044,00.asp

November 28, 2011 – Updated with newest processor names and fixed some links.

Being around since the dark ages of black and white(monochrome) computer monitors, I know quite a bit about computer hardware.  Therefore, AMD’s Vision does not appeal to me.  Although, when it comes to people who know little and/or do not care about the hardware, AMD’s Vision makes sense.

Many people I talk to only know of Intel.  Why? Intel advertises on TV and newspapers which was the main media for the masses back in the day.  Therefore, a computer is often referred to as the processor(CPU) type and Intel is what the majority know.

If I asked a person what kind of computer he/she has, he/she will say either 2nd Generation Intel Core i7 or AMD A8.  He/she will not say Gigabyte GA-X58-USB3 motherboard with 2nd Generation Intel Core i7-970 CPU and ATI Radeon HD 5970 video card etc.  If he/she did mention every part, he/she most likely gets his/her computer custom-built.

Therefore, AMD needs to put the word out through TV, Internet advertising and/or newspapers.

I am skeptical that AMD will pull through unless AMD finds a way to reward the companies and/or salespeople for every AMD sale.  After all, incentives and/or kickbacks are the way to get them to push for more AMD sales.

As for me, I have always used AMD CPU’s.  I may purchase the odd Intel CPU, but Intel, in most cases, cost more.  I always have a maximum price that I am willing to pay for any CPU.  I usually stick with CPU’s that cost anywhere between $100 – $200.  Furthermore, I always purchase the high-end CPU’s, AMD’s A-Series  and Intel’s 2nd generation Intel Core CPUs, since they are faster than identical speed AMD and/or Intel’s bargain, AMD Sempron and Intel Celeron, chips.  AMD Sempron and Intel Celeron are faster doing specific tasks, but for most computer users, the high-end CPU’s are preferred.  With that, all the other parts are purchased that compliment the CPU.

As of July 31, 2010, AMD CPU’s being cheaper is no longer always true.  Therefore, one will have to look more closely at benchmark tests from various websites.  An article explaining this in more detail can be seen at http://aprivatebeach.com/blog/2010/07/purchasing-the-best-cpu-for-the-money/

AMD’s vision strategy can be seen at http://www.betanews.com/article/AMD-to-combat-Intel-Inside-with-Who-cares/1273694861

Intel’s uses illegal tactics to try to kill AMD can be seen at http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/194619/amd-blasts-predatory-intel

The difference between AMD’s Vision and Intel Inside

The difference is in the hardware.  AMD’s Vision will use AMD CPU’s, ATI video cards (which is owned by AMD), AMD approved motherboards, etc.

As for the AMD Vision E2, AMD Vision A4, AMD Vision A6, and AMD Vision A8, the processor will most likely be the low-end, cheap, nearly obsolete and slower of the A-Series processors for the AMD Vision E2 and the AMD Vision A2.  The AMD Vision A6 and AMD Vision A8 will most likely use the high-end, expensive, recently introduced and extremely fast AMD A-Series processors.  Although, the AMD Vision A8 may also have a separate dedicated video card to handle intensive gaming.

It is highly unlikely that AMD’s Vision A8 will use the unlocked FX edition processors since the naming system is designed for people who know little about computer hardware.  Therefore, overclocking will most likely not be possible.

NOTE:  AMD will come out with new hardware periodically, but the AMD Vision naming system will remain the same.  Therefore, an AMD Vision V8 may become an AMD Vision E2 next year while a AMD Vision E2 may become obsolete next year.  Therefore, to properly compare an AMD Vision to an Intel processor, one will have to look at what AMD CPU is being used.  For example, doing a Google search for AMD A8-3850 vs Intel 2nd Generation I7 is currently the best way to do a comparison since all AMD Vision computers will have AMD processors.  It is just a matter of finding out what processor is being used.

AMD shows in an easy to read format what each is capable of at http://www.amd.com/us/vision/learn/about/Pages/about.aspx

For a more detailed explanation of the difference between the AMD Athlon, Phenom II, Sempron, Celeron and Intel Core CPU’s, one can view the article at http://asecurepc.com/wiki/doku.php?id=before_you_buy_a_computer#cache_cpu_memory. To summarize the information in the link provided, the difference is the size of the cache (memory) in the CPU.  There are more fundamental differences, but for the majority of computer users, cache(memory) is supposedly one of the more expensive parts of the CPU.

Intel on the other hand will use Intel CPU’s, Intel or Intel approved video cards, Intel or Intel approved motherboards, etc.  Furthermore, Intel’s CPUs, video cards and motherboards will be the same as AMD’s when it comes to setting the price point.

NOTE:  Strangely enough, some Intel computers, as of the 10th of September 2010, are being shipped with ATI video cards.  Strange in the sense that ATI is owned by their competitor AMD.  As for the motherboards, I can only assume that they are Intel’s since Intel supplies their own motherboards.

Therefore, the difference between the two is based on personal preference.  Are you an Apple (Mac) computer fanatic or a PC fanatic?  Are you an AMD fanatic or a Intel fanatic?  Are you a Nintendo Wii or Microsoft XBox Kinect fanatic?   Furthermore, AMD CPU’s will not fit on an Intel-based motherboard and vise versa.

From a stock traders standpoint, Intel, http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AINTC, is much better investment than AMD, http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AAMD, when it comes to dividend payments.  As for being a good investment for the future, one will realize that every trader will have their own method for determining a good investment.  Furthermore, a trader may decide to take on risky ventures.  After all, a shaky company can evolve from small fry to a giant within a few years, and turn a savvy investor from a poor person to a rich person.  Apple Inc., http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL, is a perfect example of a company that went from small fry to tech giant within a few years.  Something that I did not expect to happen.

AMD uses the AMD64 architecture while Intel uses the x86-64 architecture.  Fortunately, when it comes to Windows, Linux and other OS’s or software designed for PC’s, AMD and Intel are identical.  That is the reason why you will see the minimum requirement to install any software as computer/processor speed and not processor type.  For example Microsoft Office 2010 requires a processor speed of 500MHz  or faster, but it does not say AMD or Intel.  The processor type does not matter, but they do need to be fairly fast.

As for me, one should be able to guess which side I am on.

For those wondering what is the difference between a Macintosh (Apple) and an Intel and/or AMD PC, called PC for simplicity, one can read about it at http://aprivatebeach.com/blog/2008/09/mac-vs-pc/

For those curious, there was a third competitor in the PC market.  Unfortunately, they slowly disappeared and can be found by reference only.  The third competitor in the PC market, Cyrix, can be read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix

As for my computer, it is most likely a hybrid of an AMD Vision A8 and an AMD Vision E2.  Fast CPU and RAM, but unable to play any decent games due from the cheap $30 separate graphic card.  Sounds ridiculous, but my computer is designed to load quickly not render video game images.  Therefore my Windows 7 box looks like my Windows XP box.  All Windows Aero and cool animations have been turned off to increase the computer’s speed.

As for the price differences, Intel and AMD CPU’s can range anywhere from $50 up to $1000 or more.  AMD graphic cards can also vary from $20 up to $1000 or more also.  The reasons for these price differences are often because of one or more of the following:

  • Computer hardware that just came out and is better (faster) than all of the competitors will often be priced much higher.
  • Computer hardware that is obsolete and/or near obsolete will be sold at bargain prices.  My $30 graphics card is an example.
  • Newer computer hardware maybe stripped down (smaller RAM and/or cache, slower processor, etc.) to make it more affordable for regular computer users.  AMD’s Sempron and Intel’s Celeron are examples of cheaper CPUs with minimal cache.  Putting in 1066MHz RAM vs 1866MHz RAM will push the prices lower but slow down the hardware.
  • Competition from rival manufacturers will often force the price of the hardware lower.

November 28, 2011 – Added links to Intel’s and AMD’s newest CPU’s

It seems that AMD has changed their naming system from Vision Basic, Vision Premium, Vision Ultimate, and Vision Black to Vision E2, Vision A4, Vision A6 and Vision A8.

I can only assume the E is for Essentials while the A is for Accelerated.  Furthermore, I will further assume that the numbers are supposed to represent the engine of a car.  V4, V6, or V8 engine.  As for the E2, that must be a scooter or …

Still faster than walking speed.

AMD changes their Vision naming system to try to make it simpler at http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/230360/amd_complicates_its_vision_processor_branding.html

Intel’s 2nd generation Sandy Bridge Intel Core compared to Intel’s previous generation Sandy Bridge Intel Core CPU’s can be seen at http://apcmag.com/apc-tested-new-sandy-bridge-core-i5-vs-old-core-i5.htm

AMD’s A-Series processors can be seen at http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/amds-a-series-processor-is-official-gets-put-to-the-test/6140

A random bloggers opinion of the Sandy Bridge CPU’s at http://perilsofparallel.blogspot.com/2011/05/sandy-bridge-graphics-disappoints.html

AMD may quit competing with Intel at http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/25/business/la-fi-amd-20111125

AMD and Intel’s CPU RAW power/speed benchmarks  can be seen at http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/328 or http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html.  These are updated with the newest processors frequently.  Therefore, they are good links to bookmark.

12 Responses to “AMD’s Vision vs Intel Inside”

  1. DavidNo Gravatar says:

    Jaky, when it comes to your Internet booths, I recommend getting tower desktops that can support an ATX motherboard with a PDC CPU. The reason for the ATX motherboard is that ATX motherboards can support a separate discrete video card. In Canada, I buy video cards that sell for $40. Video cards can sell for over $1000 each.

    I have used motherboards with integrated graphics, but found that they will slow down the computer due from the fact they they share the RAM with the CPU. Therefore, I always recommend a separate video card.

    In the case of the Intel I3, I5, and I7, the video card built into the CPU seems to work quite well. Unfortunately, it also shares the RAM with the CPU. Nevertheless, it does the job with my computers that are used primarily to play Internet games, create documents, read newspapers, and surf the web.

    Getting a computer today, I recommend getting an ATX motherboard with integrated video, Windows 7 Home 64-bit, and 4GB RAM. For Internet use, this should be more than enough. A video card can always be installed later if required. Hopefully, the video card slot does not become obsolete when you do decide to install a video card.

    With all the ATX motherboards that I have purchased so far, I have a spare PCIx16 slot to install a separate video card if required. With mini, micro, and anything smaller than ATX, the PCIx16 slot required to install a separate video card is usually missing. This is the reason I always recommend ATX or larger motherboards.

    For a new motherboard, I give the PCI slots about 2 years before they become obsolete. Therefore, adding a video card should be done within a year of the computer purchase.

    The following article should clarify the differences.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57438812-92/intel-vs-amd-whos-got-the-fastest-chip-now/

    An excerpt taken from this article, “But for higher end games, the advantage [for AMD] isn’t necessarily there. “Your best bet continues to be laptops with an Intel CPU and a discrete GPU from Nvidia, at least of the GT 640M level,” according to Anandtech.”

    If you are going to install Diablo III or other MMOG’s, you will have to determine if the CPU/video card will support the load. As one friend once told me. One player walking on the screen is fine. Once I get about a hundred players on the screen, the screen freezes up. Therefore, you will have to test the usability of the computer under heavy loads. I do not play MMOG’s, so I do not know how well my computer can handle these resource hungry games.

    Recommended hardware requirements From Diablo III website at http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/diablo-iii-system-requirements
    Intel® Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz or AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 5600+ 2.8 GHz
    2 GB RAM
    NVIDIA® GeForce® 260 or ATI Radeon™ HD 4870 or better

    When you do purchase the computer, update all the drivers including the processor. My Intel I5 processor has an updated video driver. http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support?iid=hdr+support. It seems to work better than the default Windows drivers.

  2. jakyNo Gravatar says:

    hola quiesiera saber si me pueden ayudar quiero poner mis cabinas de internet y estoy un poco indesisa me recomiendan amd visionA4 me disen que es mejor para juegos y otros me recomiendan el intel pdc quisiera que me ayuden a decidir cual es mejor y cual me resultaria mejor en mi negocio

  3. DavidNo Gravatar says:

    Vision is a good processor. Although, this is my opinion.

    Think of it as comparing a Reebok shoe to a Nike shoe or a GM car to a Ford car or a baseball cap to a skull cap to a bandana. They are pretty much the same.

    AMD and Intel both run Windows, allow a user to surf the Internet, play games, and watch videos.

    Therefore, a better question would be what brand do you like better, or which one is more socially accepted :) .

    A commercial that I watched as a kid. It may relate to the topic above.

  4. tinaNo Gravatar says:

    can you tell me if the Vision processor is a good processor . my son bought a Tashiba laptop with the intel 1.3 premium processor and I got the Tashiba laptop with the Visions processor not sure never heard of the visions processor can anyone explain which one is better or the differences that I will be able to understand ?

  5. DavidNo Gravatar says:

    Updated with new information at http://aprivatebeach.com/blog/2011/06/purchasing-computer-for-business/

    This is a difficult question to answer. The reason is that the I-5 has an integrated video card. Therefore, I am unsure if they will even sell it with a separate (discrete) video card. As for the AMD Vision Premium, it can come with a separate (discrete) video card.

    Therefore to answer your question, I will choose the AMD Vision Premium over the I-5 or the I-3, but the I-7 over the AMD Vision Premium. This is assuming that they have similar video cards but cheaper when doing a price comparison.

    The reason is speed. When it comes to business, time is money. Therefore, speed is king when it comes to doing business. Waiting a few seconds for an application to load is time wasted. Therefore, a dedicated video card RAM is a must for any business computer.

    Although, if you want a laptop for business, an AMD Vision Pro, http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Unveils-Vision-Pro-Technology-for-Business-Users-131081.shtml, is something you should look at.

    Apparently, AMD’s website points to a HP dv6, which Benny has, for an AMD Vision Premium notebook with the option of choosing various computer parts.

    Tom’s Hardware tested the AMD and the Intel CPU’s, but used a separate (discrete) video card. Therefore, Tom’s Hardware most likely turned off the I-5′s integrated (discrete) video card to do a fair test.

    Laptops being so small and similar, it would not surprise me if the dedicated (discrete) video card’s RAM is being used by an integrated video card. I remember a while ago I asked a motherboard manufacturer if it was possible to purchase a motherboard with an integrated graphics card with dedicated RAM. It was possible but the dedicated RAM cost extra.

    When it comes to doing the basic tasks, I always recommend a cheap separate video card. High-end video cards are for intense gaming. Therefore for the AMD Vision Premium at http://www.shopping.hp.com/series/category/notebooks/dv6zse_series/3/computer_store, I would recommend the 512MB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5470 switchable graphics [HDMI, VGA] video card. You will have to look at the specs for the choices available.

    Why?

    The one cheaper is integrated with the RAM shared between the CPU and the video card. The one more expensive is high-end.

    For the I-5, I will look for one with dedicated video card RAM. If the RAM is shared between the CPU and the RAM, this usually equals a performance hit. Unfortunately, there maybe no Intel I-5 computers with a separate video card, therefore, getting an I-3 or an I-7 instead is an option. These do not have a video card integrated into the CPU. I have taken the I-3, I-5, and the I7 CPU’s and put them on one chart for easy comparison http://aprivatebeach.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/NotebookIntelCPUI3-5-7.pdf. This is not the latest, therefore, there are probably newer CPU’s that came out.

    With that said, if the Intel I-5 has a video card with dedicated RAM on-board that has the same amount of RAM as the AMD Vision Premium one, the choice should be based on price.

    In order to see if the RAM is shared, there are two ways to check.

    First, computers with shared RAM will not state how many MB or GB the video card has on the data sheet. For example, computers with shared RAM will say Intel Super video card. Computers with dedicated graphics card RAM will say 1GB Intel Super video card.

    The second way to check is to look at the task manager. This can be found by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del and choosing the Start Task Manager from the list of options. The data is under the performance tab. If the RAM is shared, the 4GB of RAM will be shown as less than 4GB of RAM Total. If the RAM is not shared, then 4GB of RAM will be shown as the Total. In the case of the screenshot below, 4GB of RAM is the Total. Therefore, the RAM is not shared.

    Verify how much memory available

    One final note. If you want to maximize performance, turn off all Windows 7 affects so that the computer runs like a Windows XP computer.

    Hope this helps.

  6. mitchNo Gravatar says:

    looking for a laptiop with speed .. a bit confused at the stores.. for mostly business.. any suggestions which is beter, the I-5 or the vision premium???

  7. bennyNo Gravatar says:

    last year i got two laptops hp pavilions a dv7 and a dv6 dv6 with the intel and the dv7 with the amd and a free printer both identical priced but the dv6 with the intel runs slower. i guess i just think that intel may cost more because of their name. the dv6 also came with a better graphics card but i don’t see any difference other then speed and its not as fast….

  8. Prothero FitzgibbonNo Gravatar says:

    The AMD versus Intel battle is a hot topic in the computing industry that has been fiercely discussed for many years. However, there has never been a clear winner, and it looks like it is just going to run and run. http://www.AMDvsIntel.co.uk has a series of articles discussing various aspects of this fascinating debate.

  9. DavidNo Gravatar says:

    No, Intel i7 CPUs do not have integrated graphics processors as of yet.

    This link was taken from another post http://aprivatebeach.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/DesktopIntelCPUI3-5-7.pdf

    As you can see from the above PDF file, Intel’s i5 CPUs have an integrated HD graphics processor. The i5 750 models do not.

    When visiting Intel’s website, one can look at the CPUs and their specifications. I have basically cut and pasted all three onto one page for easy comparison.

    This may change in the future as Intel has plans to put graphics processors on future i3, i5, and i7 CPUs. Therefore, one will have to visit Intel to look at the CPUs currently available.

  10. Billy says:

    I know that CPU’s are now being shipped with video cards built into the CPU. Does the i7 have the video card built-in?

  11. DavidNo Gravatar says:

    When it comes to AMD as of September 23,2010, none of their processors can match the speed of the Intel Core i7. AMD Phenom II can only be compared to Intel Core i5. The results can be seen at http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-10.html or the Intel Core i3 at http://www.hardcoreware.net/amd-vs-intel-100-150-dollar-cpu/3/. I am still waiting for AMD to come out with an Intel Core i7 competitor.

    Like a race, Intel and AMD are constantly fighting to make the fastest CPU’s. Therefore, one will fall behind, but it is only a matter of time before the other catches up.

    Of course, if you overclock the AMD black edition CPU, the results maybe different. Unfortunately, I do not think any of AMD Vision computers have this CPU. Furthermore, one needs to be sure that the cooling system used can handle the extra heat.

    One other thing I would like to mention is the fact that Intel and AMD provides their own compilers. There is much talk about Intel purposely crippling programs running on non-Intel processors using their compilers, but it is just talk. More details can be found at http://aprivatebeach.com/blog/2010/07/purchasing-the-best-cpu-for-the-money/

  12. Sarah says:

    Do you know if the Vision black will be the same speed as the Intel Core i7 processor?

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